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As I mentioned on [[Forum:Starter Wikia - adding templates to it or changing them#{{urlencode:<nowiki>{{Wikitemplates}}</nowiki>}}]], I have been kicking around an idea for a single template to replace {{t|SPW}} and {{t|Wikitemplates}} and to include some of the functionality of Wikipedia templates such as [[wikipedia:Template:Documentation subpage]], [[wikipedia:Template:Template sandbox notice]], and [[wikipedia:Template:Template test cases notice]]. I have finally gotten around to coding up a mockup for the template, at [[Template:Template metadata]]. This is an '''extremely rough draft''' for the template's final wording and functions, and is not usable yet - I want to hear opinions and suggestions for improvement before I condense the examples into a single, functioning template. I've started a few "seed sections" below on my current major concerns. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
As I mentioned on [[Forum:Starter Wikia - adding templates to it or changing them#{{urlencode:<nowiki>{{Wikitemplates}}</nowiki>}}]], I have been kicking around an idea for a single template to replace {{t|SPW}} and {{t|Wikitemplates}} and to include some of the functionality of Wikipedia templates such as [[wikipedia:Template:Documentation subpage]], [[wikipedia:Template:Template sandbox notice]], and [[wikipedia:Template:Template test cases notice]]. I have finally gotten around to coding up a mockup for the template, at [[Template:Template metadata]]. This is an '''extremely rough draft''' for the template's final wording and functions, and is not usable yet - I want to hear opinions and suggestions for improvement before I condense the examples into a single, functioning template. I've started a few "seed sections" below on my current major concerns. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
: Unless it directly links the copyed pages file history like {{t|wikipedia}} and {{t|wikitemplates}} the it does not proved the functionality NEED for CC-BY-SA complaince which is the point of the templates --{{User:Roguebfl/sig2}} 14:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
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: Unless it directly links the copyed pages file history like {{t|wikipedia}} and {{t|wikitemplates}} the it does not proved the functionality NEEDED (non optional) for CC-BY-SA complaince which is the point of the templates --{{User:Roguebfl/sig2}} 14:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
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::Like Dinoguy said, it is a very rough draft. That could be easily added. --&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Former WoWWiki Admin">Fandyllic</span>]]<small> ([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 10:35 AM PST 2 Sep 2010
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:::Yes, please don't assume that I intentionally left the history link out - I am aware of the requirement for the history link, and it was accidental oversight on my part that I didn't include it in the original version. I just added a sample history link, if that helps things any. =) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 02:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
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== Name ==
 
== Name ==
 
Currently, the template is named "Template metadata" since this, I feel, is the most accurate and succinct description of the template's purpose. I am open to suggestions for other names, however; "Template metadata" is actually a pretty technical term and many people may not even know what [[wikipedia:metadata|metadata]] even *is*, much less make the connection here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
Currently, the template is named "Template metadata" since this, I feel, is the most accurate and succinct description of the template's purpose. I am open to suggestions for other names, however; "Template metadata" is actually a pretty technical term and many people may not even know what [[wikipedia:metadata|metadata]] even *is*, much less make the connection here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
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:I was thinking something like "Template attribution", but most people don't know what [[wikipedia:attribution|attribution]] means either. Maybe "Template origin"? --&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Former WoWWiki Admin">Fandyllic</span>]]<small> ([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 10:34 AM PST 2 Sep 2010
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::I really don't care for "origin" either, since this template is meant to be used on ''every'' template on a wiki, regardless of whether those templates are from other wikis or not (and on a template's "home" wiki, the attribution bits will be hidden, since they wouldn't serve any purpose). <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 02:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
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:::It can't be used on ''every'' template since some are not from Wikia wikis, unless you want to make it super complicated which would discourage its use. The problem won't be making the template, it will be getting people to use it. --&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Former WoWWiki Admin">Fandyllic</span>]]<small> ([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 5:06 PM PST 3 Sep 2010
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::::Of course, if it's not from a Wikia wiki, people should be using the proper attribution template anyways, and since they'll be copying a dozen-plus templates for anything from Wikipedia anyways, they might as well throw [[wikipedia:Template:Documentation subpage]] and its /doc on the stack too. I had no intention of supporting this type of usage in this template. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 05:02, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
   
 
== Parameters ==
 
== Parameters ==
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All of these parameters, with the exception of the interwiki prefix (I am not aware of any magic word which will return the interwiki prefix of a Wikia wiki; if one exists, please point it out!), can be automatically added by the [[Template:Documentation/preload|documentation preload template]]. I am not sure, however, whether the parameters should be named, and if so, what names should be used (and if not, what order the parameters should be required in). <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
All of these parameters, with the exception of the interwiki prefix (I am not aware of any magic word which will return the interwiki prefix of a Wikia wiki; if one exists, please point it out!), can be automatically added by the [[Template:Documentation/preload|documentation preload template]]. I am not sure, however, whether the parameters should be named, and if so, what names should be used (and if not, what order the parameters should be required in). <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
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== Wording ==
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Any thoughts or suggestions on the wording? Should any of the statements be rearranged, or is there any other information which the template should convey? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 02:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

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As I mentioned on Forum:Starter Wikia - adding templates to it or changing them#, I have been kicking around an idea for a single template to replace {{SPW}} and {{Wikitemplates}} and to include some of the functionality of Wikipedia templates such as wikipedia:Template:Documentation subpage, wikipedia:Template:Template sandbox notice, and wikipedia:Template:Template test cases notice. I have finally gotten around to coding up a mockup for the template, at Template:Template metadata. This is an extremely rough draft for the template's final wording and functions, and is not usable yet - I want to hear opinions and suggestions for improvement before I condense the examples into a single, functioning template. I've started a few "seed sections" below on my current major concerns. ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Unless it directly links the copyed pages file history like {{wikipedia}} and {{wikitemplates}} the it does not proved the functionality NEEDED (non optional) for CC-BY-SA complaince which is the point of the templates --  Roguebfl   talk    contribs    email   14:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
Like Dinoguy said, it is a very rough draft. That could be easily added. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:35 AM PST 2 Sep 2010
Yes, please don't assume that I intentionally left the history link out - I am aware of the requirement for the history link, and it was accidental oversight on my part that I didn't include it in the original version. I just added a sample history link, if that helps things any. =) ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 02:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Name[]

Currently, the template is named "Template metadata" since this, I feel, is the most accurate and succinct description of the template's purpose. I am open to suggestions for other names, however; "Template metadata" is actually a pretty technical term and many people may not even know what metadata even *is*, much less make the connection here. ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking something like "Template attribution", but most people don't know what attribution means either. Maybe "Template origin"? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:34 AM PST 2 Sep 2010
I really don't care for "origin" either, since this template is meant to be used on every template on a wiki, regardless of whether those templates are from other wikis or not (and on a template's "home" wiki, the attribution bits will be hidden, since they wouldn't serve any purpose). ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 02:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
It can't be used on every template since some are not from Wikia wikis, unless you want to make it super complicated which would discourage its use. The problem won't be making the template, it will be getting people to use it. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:06 PM PST 3 Sep 2010
Of course, if it's not from a Wikia wiki, people should be using the proper attribution template anyways, and since they'll be copying a dozen-plus templates for anything from Wikipedia anyways, they might as well throw wikipedia:Template:Documentation subpage and its /doc on the stack too. I had no intention of supporting this type of usage in this template. ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 05:02, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Parameters[]

The current mockup of the template doesn't take any parameters, but when it is finished, I think it will need to take three parameters at minimum: one for the template's name on its originating wiki, one for the originating wiki's name, and one for the originating wiki's interwiki prefix (my observation is that for Wikia, this is always equivalent to the subdomain name; e.g. for Wikia Templates, the prefix and subdomain name are both "templates"; for Starter Wikia, they are "starter", etc.). Additionally, for this wiki, we need one more parameter, to take over {{SPW}}'s function - pointing out templates that are or aren't on Starter, and whether they are the same or different.

All of these parameters, with the exception of the interwiki prefix (I am not aware of any magic word which will return the interwiki prefix of a Wikia wiki; if one exists, please point it out!), can be automatically added by the documentation preload template. I am not sure, however, whether the parameters should be named, and if so, what names should be used (and if not, what order the parameters should be required in). ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:11, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wording[]

Any thoughts or suggestions on the wording? Should any of the statements be rearranged, or is there any other information which the template should convey? ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 02:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)