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:::Starter should have the simplest, but most useful templates. Extra features should come without dependencies unless absolutely necessary. Wikipedia can handle it because it is one wiki with possibly 10s of millions of users.
 
:::Starter should have the simplest, but most useful templates. Extra features should come without dependencies unless absolutely necessary. Wikipedia can handle it because it is one wiki with possibly 10s of millions of users.
 
:::You should also look at [[w:User blog:Sarah Manley/Sneak Peek at the New Look - Community Activity]]. We need to worry about the folks who enthusiastically want to contribute, but know little or nothing about the technical underpinnings of wikis. --&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Former WoWWiki Admin">Fandyllic</span>]]<small> ([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 10:49 AM PST 27 Aug 2010
 
:::You should also look at [[w:User blog:Sarah Manley/Sneak Peek at the New Look - Community Activity]]. We need to worry about the folks who enthusiastically want to contribute, but know little or nothing about the technical underpinnings of wikis. --&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Former WoWWiki Admin">Fandyllic</span>]]<small> ([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 10:49 AM PST 27 Aug 2010
 
::::Since you pointed it out, I spent a couple of hours looking over random questions there. I would hardly say this qualifies me to speak of it unequivocally, but according to what I saw there, most questions from people trying to get a template to work were cases where the person was trying to copy templates, often from Wikipedia (this is one reason I have [[wikipedia:User:Dinoguy1000/Featured templates|advocated for a featured templates process]] on Wikipedia, where one of the requirements for promotion would be one or more versions suitable for transwiki use - but that, of course, has little-to-naught to do with this discussion). The rest seemed to simply be run-of-the-mill "how does template code/parser functions/parameters/etc. work" questions.
 
::::Once again stressing that I may not be right, if this is indeed an accurate assessment of the situation, it still doesn't really apply to Starter - the templates there should be ready to use out of the box, and this readiness has nothing to do with whether subtemplates/metatemplates are or are not used.
 
::::I am also not advocating using subtemplates for the sake of subtemplates; I am saying we shouldn't be afraid to use them on Starter, but if we can reasonably get by without them, there's obviously no good reason to force using them. As for metatemplates, if they are on Starter already, there is no reason not to use them in other templates.
 
::::The redesign has been at the forefront of my mind since I read the announcement; I've already applied for the beta and been accepted, and am now waiting for my invitation so I can start to get a feel for how the new skin(s) will affect the template landscape. As for those with little to no understanding of the technical aspects of the MediaWiki software, this is going to sound incredibly harsh and probably more than a little closed-minded, but they should NOT be messing around with templates unless they are either prepared to clean up their mess/deal with lots of breakage, or they have a more experienced template coder on call that they can ask for help. The template namespace is not the place to start out learning template coding and wikimarkup; there's a reason every wiki has a [[Project:Sandbox|sandbox page]] from its creation. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 04:24, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
 
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